Monday, 2015-03-30
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| kill_switch | hey, if a service claims to run Free Software only on the server but don't provide any software names, copyright notices or source code infact not even a privacy policy, isn't that a obvious violation? | 01:37 |
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| pehjota | kill_switch: A license violation? Only if the license is the GNU AGPL and the software is modified. | 01:38 |
| kill_switch | ok | 01:39 |
| kill_switch | pehjota, but for example Openmailbox is getting credit for running Free Software explicitly without any code/names of program/privacy policy/license notices nothing? | 01:40 |
| kill_switch | who is that even remotely Free Software? Where as we would even point out a single icon's license and make the whole software non-free? | 01:40 |
| kill_switch | because it is | 01:40 |
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| olly | i can't see them getting much credit with the claim I see on https://www.openmailbox.org/ | 02:03 |
| libreJS | olly, https://www.fsf.org/resources/webmail-systems | 02:04 |
| olly | take it up with the FSF then | 02:04 |
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| kill_switch | olly, I was just wondering if we can take up any actions if someone claims but never comply | 02:07 |
| olly | what exactly aren't they complying with? | 02:07 |
| kill_switch | if its Free Software, name it, put copyright notices, where is the source of what you are running? | 02:08 |
| kill_switch | where is the privacy policy? <-- since is a separate issue altogether | 02:08 |
| olly | that would be better, but not doing that isn't a compliance issue unless the licence of the software requires it | 02:08 |
| olly | fwiw, i don't see that on mailoo either, though my french isn't great so I may be missing it | 02:09 |
| kill_switch | olly, see here https://tutanota.com/ | 02:10 |
| olly | how's that connected to mailoo? | 02:11 |
| kill_switch | https://kolabnow.com/ see here | 02:11 |
| kill_switch | see https://posteo.de/js-licenses.html | 02:12 |
| kill_switch | olly, I am showing you who all comply | 02:12 |
| olly | sure, I understand what you'd like them to do | 02:13 |
| pehjota | "Comply", with LibreJS you mean? That's not a license compliance issue; that's a license metadata issue. | 02:13 |
| kill_switch | olly, I am saying a lot of people are attracted to his new Word that magically makes everything secure "Free Software" | 02:14 |
| kill_switch | but when the providers don't comply with the very core of Free Software Ethics or Code, it just ain't right | 02:14 |
| kill_switch | pehjota, no I want to see the code and name of softwares, and JS licenses and code and privacy policy (highly ethical not to have one) | 02:15 |
| kill_switch | also pehjota if roudcube is fully open it is LibreJS's fault then I am enquiring into it | 02:19 |
| pehjota | kill_switch: LibreJS can't know that a JS program is free software unless the authors add license metadata to it identifying it as such. | 02:20 |
| kill_switch | pehjota, that is complete fault of LibreJS, if I were a developer I would ethically release the code since If I did my job on windows or OSX but how would I magically know that there is a complete standard called libreJS is not even followed by close relatives to FSF | 02:22 |
| kill_switch | LibreJS has to see if there is obfuscated code and not, and not the license, now imagine if I license my JS under Microsoft License or Apple license but the script is fully open and ethical, what is the problem? | 02:23 |
| pehjota | Please read the LibreJS documentation. There's a list of accepted licenses and a couple ways for developers to mark their scripts as free software. | 02:24 |
| pehjota | And LibreJS automatically detects trivial scripts as free. | 02:25 |
| kill_switch | https://ruggedinbox.com/rc/skins/larry/ui.min.js?s=1426539258 | 02:28 |
| kill_switch | this is being blocked by LibreJS | 02:28 |
| pehjota | Probably because it doesn't have a @source tag. LibreJS should tell you why it's blocking it. | 02:31 |
| kill_switch | NONTRIVIAL: innerHTML identifier | 02:32 |
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