Wednesday, 2014-11-19
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| bkuhn | Does anyone hanging out here know anything about GNU Mailman administration? I have a question regarding administration of the copyleft.org mailing lists that I could use some help on. | 10:22 |
| bkuhn | (Alternatively, if someone would be willing to help me with some research about GNU Mailman -- and yes, I'm indeed asking "hey would you net.search that for me.") | 10:22 |
| bkuhn | (It may be a specific question related to Debian's mailman configuration, BTW) | 10:23 |
| bcotton | bkuhn: it’s been a few years, but i’ve done some mailman admin in the past | 10:25 |
| bkuhn | bcotton: So my question is simple: Upon install of Mailman on debian wheezy, it prompted me to create a mailing list called "mailman". The install process said it was required. All it seems to do is attract spam. | 10:25 |
| bkuhn | ... I tried to delete it, and the rmlist script said it was required. | 10:26 |
| bkuhn | (In fact, ISTR the web interface broke entirely when the list wasn't there) | 10:26 |
| bkuhn | I swear I've admin'ed GNU Mailman installs that didn't have a list called "mailman", but maybe I'm forgetting. | 10:26 |
| bkuhn | Anyway, I'd like to just delete, or at least redirect "mailman" list-alias such as mailman-owner and stuff to a mundane email address. | 10:26 |
| bkuhn | (as 99.999999% of the email that comes to it would be spam anyway) | 10:27 |
| bcotton | ouch. fwiw, i dont recall ever having a mailman list on any i’ve touched. | 10:27 |
| pehjota | AIUI (and IIRC) that list (called the "site list") is a place for users who have trouble with a site's mailing lists to request help from an admin. | 10:27 |
| pehjota | I don't think that's specific to Debian. | 10:28 |
| bkuhn | pehjota: Can I make it go away? | 10:30 |
| bkuhn | or, set mailman, mailman-owner, etc. go to just a mundane email address instead so I don't have to do Discards for spam that makes it through? | 10:30 |
| pehjota | I don't think you can remove it. I have it on my lists site and I actually just ignore it: <http://lists.proteanos.com/mailman/listinfo>. | 10:34 |
| bkuhn | pehjota: any hints on how you deal with spam for it? Did you set a content filter to discard all email, or? | 10:35 |
| bkuhn | (I mean, spam that makes it through existing blocking techniques before you hit mailman, which always happens of course) | 10:35 |
| pehjota | bkuhn: I don't think my mailman list gets any posts, actually. Maybe because I don't have the posting address for that list easily findable (I don't use Mailman's listinfo page). | 10:40 |
| pehjota | Maybe redirect mailman, mailman-owner, etc. with /etc/aliases, depending on your mail setup. | 10:41 |
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| pehjota | Yeah, my mailman list has no posts and no pending moderation requests. So, I deal with spam by not advertising the list at all, heh. | 10:51 |
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| bkuhn | Ah, ok. | 11:04 |
| bkuhn | Thanks for your help. I'll figure something out eventually. | 11:04 |
| bkuhn | I'll forget about it until the next time I check my email and have pending moderation requests again. :) | 11:04 |
| pehjota | Sorry I don't have a better answer than either not showing Mailman's listinfo interface or redirecting the list with /etc/aliases. | 11:06 |
| pehjota | (For the former option, I made my own list info page with subscribe/options/unsubscribe forms that POST to Mailman's CGI programs: <http://lists.proteanos.com/proteanos-dev/>.) | 11:09 |
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| olly | bkuhn: mailman web admin ui has "Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on this machine?" as the first entry in the privacy tab (which works for me) | 15:22 |
| olly | don't know about the "mailman" list - I've never noticed having one on my domains, but I don't admin the list server | 15:22 |
| olly | seems there is one, but only on one domain | 15:24 |
| bkuhn | olly: right, it's not being advertised in any event. The problem is that "mailman@" is a common address spammers send to. | 15:40 |
| mlinksva | minimally formatted almost totally unreferenced braindump https://gitorious.org/copyleft-org/tutorial/commit/a262babf49808c014f58a34383d5f0c3d7c7edee | 16:48 |
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| bkuhn | mlinksva: wow, thanks! I may not have time to go through it and merge it into next until this weekend, though. | 17:02 |
| mlinksva | i've no expectation of merge timeline! | 17:05 |
| bkuhn | My other issue is figuring out who to extract the "front matter" from gpl-lgpl.tex into a more general discussion of copyleft. | 17:06 |
| bkuhn | My thought lately is a brief introduction section that discusses how copyleft was originally designed for software, then later applied to other types of creative works, then the standing front-matter about copyright/copyleft/free software definition as it relates to software. | 17:07 |
| bkuhn | Then, perhaps your front-material about free cutulre. | 17:07 |
| bkuhn | THEN the GPL and LGPL sections | 17:07 |
| bkuhn | THEN the CC-BY-SA section | 17:07 |
| mlinksva | i would love there to be an AGPL section (i know it is mentioned, but not really studied) :) | 17:11 |
| mlinksva | but that structure makes sense | 17:11 |
| bkuhn | mlinksva: Oh, yeah, I also have a mental TODO to write a skeleton AGPL section for the next branch this weekend. | 17:18 |
| bkuhn | At this point, I need to move most of copyleft.org work to weekends. | 17:18 |
| bkuhn | I'm currently budgeted 2 hrs/week (of a 40 hour week) by my "boss" for this. :) | 17:19 |
| bkuhn | granted, I work more than 40 hrs a week. | 17:19 |
| bkuhn | so I can get more done than that, of course. | 17:19 |
| bkuhn | but, I'll relegate a lot of stuff to weekends going forward. I don't want a week to go by that I don't commit or merge something, though. | 17:19 |
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| cjcahala | hi! | 21:48 |
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