Thursday, 2014-11-13
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| * bkuhn is glad to now 21 non-bot idlers here during business hours in US/Eastern. | 08:16 | |
| bkuhn | Great! | 08:16 |
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| bkuhn | thank you all for being here. :) | 08:16 |
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| warp | bkuhn: 22! | 08:20 |
| bkuhn | Yeah, but karen "has to come" ;) | 08:26 |
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| bkuhn | botCopyleftBuild: force guide-production | 11:17 |
| botCopyleftBuild | try 'force build [--branch=BRANCH] [--revision=REVISION] [--props=PROP1=VAL1,PROP2=VAL2...] <WHICH> <REASON>' | 11:17 |
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| bkuhn | Anyone around particularly good with CSS? | 15:16 |
| * warp knows CSS | 15:23 | |
| bkuhn | warp: here's my problem, you can see what it looks like first: | 15:26 |
| bkuhn | visit http://copyleft.org/guide/comprehensive-gpl-guidech6.html#x9-460005.2 | 15:26 |
| bkuhn | That *should* put your right at top of section 5.2 | 15:27 |
| bkuhn | it doesn't, it's a little further down. | 15:27 |
| bkuhn | Reason: the fixed-width bar at the top. | 15:27 |
| bkuhn | This is a known problem it seems with such bars. | 15:27 |
| bkuhn | Usual solutions talked about : | 15:27 |
| bkuhn | Here: http://pixelflips.com/blog/anchor-links-with-a-fixed-header | 15:27 |
| bkuhn | here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14526334/bootstrap-anchors-and-body-top-margin-padding | 15:27 |
| bkuhn | don't work. | 15:27 |
| bkuhn | Main reason: | 15:27 |
| bkuhn | the <a id="footnote-here" href="#footnote-return"><sup>1</sup></a> | 15:28 |
| bkuhn | most of those solutions rely on doing something with ':target' or another element to make it reverse the padding and stay hidden | 15:28 |
| bkuhn | the problem is, when you use those solutions either (a) the footnote number is hidden, or (b) the footnote number is moved to some weird place | 15:29 |
| bkuhn | warp: any ideas on what to try next? | 15:29 |
| * warp looks | 15:39 | |
| bkuhn | Another solution is to take the amount of the top bar in with padding-top and take it out with margin-top ... | 15:39 |
| bkuhn | ... that doesn't work either, because it means the mouse pointer thinks the link is that much higher than it is | 15:40 |
| bkuhn | It seems everyone I can find who has fought this battle before just NEVER does <a id="THIS" href="WHERETOGO">Some text</a> | 15:40 |
| bkuhn | I'm amazed because I always have deno that for footnotes and stuff (and tex4ht does it too) | 15:40 |
| bkuhn | There are clearly solutions if you lose the "Some Text" or put the id="THIS" in some other tag (like an h4 or a span) | 15:41 |
| warp | I would probably just have the top bar scroll with the rest of the page | 15:41 |
| bkuhn | warp: And if the client told you "that's not an option"? | 15:41 |
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| warp | Yeah, I guess you'd have to take the destination anchor out of the flow and move it up. It looks like your anchor already doesn't have any content, so that's good. | 15:44 |
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| bkuhn | warp: huh? | 15:45 |
| bkuhn | My point was the anchors do have content. | 15:45 |
| warp | The entire heading which contains the target is: | 15:46 |
| warp | <h3 class="sectionHead"><span class="titlemark">5.2 </span> <a id="x9-460005.2"></a>GPLv2 <span class="cmsy-10"><A7></span>3: Producing Binaries</h3> | 15:46 |
| bkuhn | Yeah, those are fine. | 15:46 |
| bkuhn | The problem is footnotes: | 15:46 |
| warp | the anchor is a <a> element without any text content | 15:46 |
| bkuhn | <span class="footnote-mark"><a | 15:47 |
| bkuhn | href="#fn1x2" id="fn1x2-bk"><sup class="textsuperscript">1</sup></a></span><a | 15:47 |
| bkuhn | id="x1-5001f1"></a><span class="footnote-mark"><a | 15:47 |
| bkuhn | href="#fn1x2" id="fn1x2-bk"><sup class="textsuperscript">1</sup></a></span><a | 15:47 |
| bkuhn | id="x1-5001f1"></a> | 15:47 |
| warp | hm, if I visit http://copyleft.org/guide/comprehensive-gpl-guidech6.html#x9-460005.2, the page is scrolled to the section which starts with the "5.2 GPLv2 ยง3: Producing Binaries" heading | 15:48 |
| warp | but the heading is obscured by the top-bar, I thought that was your problem. | 15:48 |
| bkuhn | warp: yes, it is. | 15:49 |
| bkuhn | Are we miscommunicating? | 15:49 |
| bkuhn | My point is, if you want a fixed bar, the only way to fix it is "fake" the padding on the id= element to offset the amount from the header that it's put in place. | 15:49 |
| warp | Ok, the '#fn1x6-bk' anchor does have text, the #x9-460005.2 anchor does not. | 15:50 |
| bkuhn | Meanwhile, all solutions for doing that only work properly if you *don't* have this: <a id="THIS" href="WHERETOGO">Some text</a> | 15:50 |
| bkuhn | So I need a solution that allows <a id="THIS" href="WHERETOGO">Some text</a> | 15:50 |
| warp | How about <a id="THIS" href="GOSOMEWHERE"><some-element>Some Text</some-element></a> ? (you currently have <sup> as some-element for those footnotes). | 15:53 |
| bkuhn | oh hm. | 15:53 |
| bkuhn | let me see if that works. | 15:53 |
| warp | So, my idea would be: | 15:53 |
| * bkuhn waits for it. | 15:53 | |
| warp | .footnote-mark { position: relative; } | 15:53 |
| warp | .footnote-mark > a { position: absolute; bottom: 20px (or whatever the height of your top-bar is); } | 15:54 |
| warp | so that moves the anchor target up a bunch, and then use the same trick for what's contained in the anchor to move it down again. so something like .footnote-mark > a > * { position: relative; top: 20px; } | 15:55 |
| warp | I don't know how well all of that would work, if you're not in a hurry I can try some of those things this evening and let you know. | 15:56 |
| bkuhn | ok, thanks! | 15:57 |
| bkuhn | warp: that's much appreciated! | 15:57 |
| bkuhn | Feel free to offer patches for it. | 15:57 |
| bkuhn | The file you wanna patch against is: | 15:57 |
| bkuhn | warp: https://gitorious.org/copyleft-org/tutorial/source/next:css/guide.css | 15:58 |
| bkuhn | warp: Testing that locally is a bit tricky though... do you want a branch to push against tonight to test it on copyleft.org? | 15:58 |
| bkuhn | (Unless you already have an idea for workflow to test it locally) | 15:58 |
| warp | Can I use the included makefile to build the site? | 16:01 |
| bkuhn | warp: yes, but, the URLs for some of the CCS/Javascript will be wrong. | 16:01 |
| bkuhn | (it doesn't do perfectly relative links for those) | 16:01 |
| bkuhn | Reason being that some of the CCS/JS comes not from tutorial but from the copyleft.org site. | 16:01 |
| bkuhn | so anything with / in front is in a different place | 16:02 |
| bkuhn | warp: but seriously, if you'd use it, I truly don't mind making a buildbot target so that botCopyleftBuild can do it for you and deploy it on site. | 16:02 |
| bkuhn | I already have copyleft.org/guide-next/ for the next branch | 16:03 |
| warp | ok, I'll see what I run into. if all fails I can always do a "save as" of that page in a browser and make that work, and figure out how to turn that into a pull request later. | 16:03 |
| bkuhn | ok, whatever works for you. | 16:03 |
| bkuhn | Thanks for looking into this! | 16:03 |
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| warp | bkuhn: made a merge request with the css changes. | 21:45 |
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| warp | Rixius: fix your connection :) | 21:45 |
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