Saturday, 2014-11-08
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| svanheulen | Hello | 08:50 |
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| bkuhn | greetings! | 08:55 |
| bkuhn | welcome! | 08:55 |
| svanheulen | I have a question about using the GPL as the license for one of my projects. Is this the place to do that or is there a more appropriate channel for that? | 09:06 |
| warp | svanheulen: I think this is a good place for such questions. | 09:09 |
| svanheulen | Awesome :) | 09:09 |
| warp | (but if you want legal advice you should talk to your lawyer. </cargo-cult-disclaimer>) | 09:10 |
| svanheulen | Ok, so my project is a DLL that will be injected into the process of a closed-source video game. It hooks some functions and modifies the game's memory. Can I use the GPL for my code? | 09:11 |
| svanheulen | I'm not sure if my code would be considered a plugin to the closed-source game. Which it seems that the GPL wouldn't work in that situation. | 09:13 |
| bkuhn | svanheulen: you'll need a license exception to use the GPL. | 09:16 |
| bkuhn | svanheulen: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLIncompatibleLibs may be of help. | 09:17 |
| bkuhn | if you have additional questions beyond that, the right address to write to is <licensing@fsf.org> | 09:18 |
| bkuhn | svanheulen: Unrelated to the licensing of your own code, you should also think about DMCA issues that you might face. If you are in the USA, or plan to visit the USA, you should investigate whether you code might be circumvention and discuss the issue with any attorney. This is a USA-specific law, although other countries have similar ones, such as the EUCD. | 09:21 |
| warp | To be fair, in the game industry it is very common for third-parties to make authorized and unauthorized modifications to proprietary video games, and share them with other gamers. So I think the risk is fairly limited (depending on the game), but it certainly is good idea to know about the risks and make an informed decision on whether and how you publish your work. | 09:24 |
| svanheulen | bkuhn: Thanks for the info! And yeah, good point, I should probably look into that. | 09:24 |
| bkuhn | warp: for my part, I believe in civil disobedience regarding the DMCA felony penalties and I've been very public that I've violated the anti-circumvention provision of the DMCA, even in public. I'm sure the federal Marshalls know where to find me. But, others might have a different risk profile. | 09:26 |
| warp | I now live in a country where all the big DVD/Blu-ray shops in the main shopping street of an upper middle class neighboorhood sell almost exclusively pirated media. | 09:30 |
| bkuhn | warp: I hope you won't use the word "pirate". It's an analogy designed to make the violation seem disproportionately bad. | 09:54 |
| bkuhn | (i.e.., I assume that you have no evidence those DVDs arrived in the shop because someone boarded one of Disney's ships on the Atlantic and stole all their shipping containers filled with DVDs) | 09:55 |
| bkuhn | That's the only way I can imagine they are "pirated". | 09:55 |
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| bkuhn | fontana: ! | 17:41 |
| bkuhn | fontana: what's the dead link you found? | 17:54 |
| fontana | bkuhn: sorry it's not on the website. It's in the announcement. | 17:54 |
| fontana | oh maybe you knew about that. | 17:55 |
| bkuhn | fontana: which one? | 17:55 |
| bkuhn | can you just tell me what it is? | 17:55 |
| fontana | bkuhn: I think the one to the CCS candidate? Have to check | 17:55 |
| bkuhn | fontana: I just tested all the links. | 17:56 |
| bkuhn | Did you find it this morning? | 17:56 |
| bkuhn | I was messing with copyleft.guide 's DNS this morning. | 17:56 |
| bkuhn | so the copyleft.guide links were down for maybe an hour or so this morning (US/Eastern) | 17:56 |
| fontana | bkuhn: it was in the message that Martin Michlmayr forwarded to an internal HP mailing list | 17:57 |
| fontana | which I think I deleted | 17:57 |
| bkuhn | Here's the URLs from the announcement: | 17:57 |
| bkuhn | Conservancy Announcement: https://sfconservancy.org/news/2014/nov/07/copyleft-org/ | 17:57 |
| bkuhn | FSF Announcement: http://fsf.org/news/software-freedom-conservancy-and-free-software-foundation-announce-copyleft.org | 17:57 |
| bkuhn | Copyleft.org: https://copyleft.org | 17:57 |
| bkuhn | Pristine CCS Example: http://copyleft.guide/pristine-example/ | 17:57 |
| bkuhn | Announcement on Twitter: https://twitter.com/conservancy/status/530759451989786624 | 17:57 |
| bkuhn | Pump.io/Identi.ca: https://identi.ca/conservancy/note/qSdiuSFaRuqrqO5lULbNZg | 17:57 |
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| bkuhn | fontana: I just tested all of those above and they all worked. | 17:58 |
| fontana | bkuhn: I think it was the 'pristine example' but I see it works now | 17:58 |
| bkuhn | fontana: when did you try it? | 17:58 |
| fontana | bkuhn: Last night I think. | 17:58 |
| bkuhn | (I am curious how long I left it broken ;) | 17:58 |
| bkuhn | hm. | 17:58 |
| bkuhn | oh well, I fixed it. :) | 17:58 |
| fontana | that's good, I think the pristine example and also the case studies are highly valuable | 17:59 |
| bkuhn | fontana: I need to update the case-studies a bit. | 18:00 |
| fontana | I didn't read them too closely | 18:00 |
| bkuhn | They are old. | 18:01 |
| fontana | I assume they come from some old materials | 18:01 |
| bkuhn | I wrote them back when I was FSF. | 18:01 |
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| fontana | right | 18:01 |
| bkuhn | yes.... but I have updates, both about them... | 18:01 |
| bkuhn | ... and I have more to add. | 18:01 |
| fontana | these are highly useful | 18:01 |
| fontana | they're what's been missing | 18:01 |
| fontana | from the discourse | 18:01 |
| bkuhn | They were never missing. | 18:01 |
| bkuhn | I wrote them in 2003. ;) | 18:01 |
| fontana | well I never knew how to find them | 18:01 |
| bkuhn | I agree, this is why I had to do copyleft.org. | 18:02 |
| bkuhn | The LaTeX sources have been public for years. | 18:02 |
| bkuhn | but no one ever built it. | 18:02 |
| fontana | oh | 18:02 |
| bkuhn | now, there are easy URLs. | 18:02 |
| fontana | bkuhn: I'm dealing with some of these kinds of issues at HP, for the first time. They didn't really arise at Red Hat. | 18:02 |
| bkuhn | We've got: https://copyleft.org/ http://compliance.guide/ http://gpl.guide/ http://copyleft.guide/ | 18:02 |
| bkuhn | they all point to different places on the site; easy to remember. :) | 18:03 |
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| fontana | bkuhn: I have now subscribed to discuss@copyleft.org | 18:43 |
| fontana | discuss@lists.copyleft.org rather | 18:44 |
| bkuhn | Great! | 18:45 |
| bkuhn | fontana: do you | 18:51 |
| bkuhn | have any patches for me yet? | 18:51 |
| fontana | bkuhn: not yet | 18:51 |
| * bkuhn wants some | 18:51 | |
| bkuhn | please help! | 18:51 |
| bkuhn | :) | 18:51 |
| fontana | bkuhn: maybe I'll work on it this weekend | 18:51 |
| bkuhn | Great! | 18:51 |
| fontana | I will use my non-work laptop :) | 18:52 |
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| bkuhn | fontana: yes, you need to be sure it's not HP's copyright. :) | 19:22 |
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